Humiliation Thread

[FadedOasis]

Strata : I CHOOSE YOU, STICKY BOMB!
Strata : STICKY BOMB, RETURN!
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
[EA] hero : snowbunny add me plz
Player GitarooMan was automatically assigned to team BLU (Me)
*DEAD* vamperon.mp3 : pwnt
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
[EA] hero : fuck u bitch
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
Strata : GO FOR IT, PIPEBOME!
Strata : I CHOOSE YOU, STICKY BOMB!
Strata : STICKY BOMB, RETURN!
Snowbunny : SUCK IT HERO.
[EA] hero : suck me bunny
[EA] hero : lool
[SM] GitarooMan: Banned player "Strata" for 60 minutes (reason: "Spamming. One hour ban).


Let's all laugh at Strata for being the first Ars asshat to be banned. And then let's all message him and ask him why he broke the rules.

[docsfox]

bind mouse1 "say spam spam; +attack"

Admin note: This bind will get you permanently banned from MKWEA.

[mykungfuisgood]

Well lets just disown the guy cuz he got peer pressured to join ArsLeague.

Way to kick a regular bro.

Oh Ars the new communism. (I came up with that bind all by myself!)

[FadedOasis]

KungFu, I didn't ban him because he's in Ars. I banned him because he broke the rules repeatedly. I suppose I should explain why I posted this thread, though.

A couple nights ago, I joined MKWEA to find an overly abusive bunch of players who enjoyed spamming. I kicked one of them for using the term "faggot" a lot, then, not 30 seconds later, banned a second player for the same offense. One map later, I was assaulted with many people who enjoyed spamming the chat. I sent out a message I thought they would get: I shut down the server for 5 minutes.

Obviously, they didn't get it, because I got THREE messages about people spamming today. I join the server to find Strata blatantly breaking the rules, even after I warned him two days ago. I banned him for one hour, because maybe then he'd get the point. Please note: He has only been banned for one hour, and that hour has already passed.

But I didn't know how to get the message out to the rest of the spammers. So I posted about it. I didn't mean to imply that the entirety of Ars spams the chat, or that the entirety of Ars is asshats. I just pointed out that he was from Ars, and that he was being an asshat. It was intended it a comical style, much like theTF2 blog's Administrator post, but I guess I failed at humor.

[FadedOasis]

As for me kicking him from the NPP group, well, let me just post a direct quote from the community page:

We are players who actually help our teammates, not annoy them. No spamming, no griefing, no camping, and no abusive behavior. Just have fun, and enjoy the game!

That paragraph has been there, unchanged, since the group started.

[mykungfuisgood]

Please strata is no more an Ars regular than Rhench is/was. You're trying to make out some propaganda stuff to say Ars is the problem. Pfft, the only problem here is you're try at public humiliation.

But w/e go ahead make us out to be the new GoA.

[FadedOasis]

Fine, I hereby retract my mentioning that he was in Ars. Sorry I mentioned it. But he still broke the rules repeatedly.

[nippz]

Jan 11, 2010 0:05:27 GMT -5 FadedOasis said:

even after I warned him two days ago.

Strata wasn't even on Steam two days ago when said event happened.

[FadedOasis]

Really? I could have sworn he was there.

Oh well. Sorry again, I guess. I hereby retract the one-hour ban, and instead just kick Strata for spamming. In order to give him his extra hour of playtime, I will allow him to play on MKWEA for one hour after I run out of money for the server and have to shut it down.

Leaving this thread unlocked in case you want to yell at me some more for enforcing the rules that have been there since day 1.

[docsfox]

Now now, I saw the humor in this one hour ban but I guess because faded associated the text bind spamming with ars is why some got a little offended. Other than that it was a short ban that was warranted because of of excessive and obvious spam.


Side note: text bind spams are a trend from competitive players that then sunk it's way into ars which is a group with a competitive side to it.

[rhench]

I cannot believe that Rhench, of all people, is going to try to be a voice of reason, but here goes:

For the record, I wasn't around for any of this. The specifics of who did what when are known to me only by anecdote from various people, but I get the gist of what's going on. Either way, I'm more concerned about what's happening now than what happened then. Strata, someone who has been coming to the server for a long time, is no longer banned from the server. Whether or not he chooses to return is his own business, and I haven't seen a message from him one way or another.

Faded did what he thought was the right move at the time, and if people were spamming text binds, something that I do recall has happened in the past, a one hour ban is not an unreasonable punishment. That a single person got chosen in the heat of the moment doesn't necessarily reflect that that person was the only culprit, but that his behavior stuck in the admin's mind as overt and repeated. Unless Faded went to the trouble to make up not only Strata's messages, but a side conversation between two others at the same time, Faded seems to have proof that such activity was occurring. Frankly, his word is proof enough, but he bothered to cite it.

Was Faded's attempt at humor perhaps done in frustration? Probably. From an outside perspective, I immediately picked up on the announcer/administrator tone from the post he made. Maybe I just understand Faded's style of humor; maybe I'm just distanced from the situation and able to look at it objectively. Faded wanted to get the point across that text binds to the extreme are inappropriate, and that practitioners of this meme will be punished if they continue the excessiveness of them.

Singling out Ars, while not necessary, is a result of the primary participants in this meme, not only in this instance, being people who tend to frequent Ars servers more than MKWEA itself. I've seen it happen before when an Ars server empties into MKWEA. No, Ars members (I'm included in that community, whether Fu believes so or not) are not the only culprits, nor are all Ars members guilty of participating in this irritating behavior. Faded generalized, and if I had to guess as to his motives, it was to drive the point home specifically to the group of people who have been the most common culprits that it's gotten old, and that he's tired of the text bind spam.

Did he do it in the most tactful way possible? No, he didn't. But has the tactful way gotten through to the people who have been causing this irritation? No, it hasn't. I can fully understand his frustration on the matter, and while perhaps he could have been a little more diplomatic about this, he's far from the only person with behavior to consider modifying in the future.

We, that is the admins, tend to operate best when we're able to put our heads together on a matter. With various people unavailable to comment on this matter, it was handled by Faded in a way that was consistent with our policies. Suggesting that he did anything other than try to fix what he saw as a problem, admittedly with a bit of a harsh tone, is a bit of a stretch I think.

With that said, I'm willing to speak privately to anyone who wants to discuss the matter, as we've always had an open-door policy if anyone feels aggrieved by the actions taken by admins. Faded is generally open to such conversations as well. Rather than bicker and try to recreate the problems that happened on a different server, I'd much prefer that we try to resolve the problems at hand.

[strata]

Sorry to cause such a fuss guys, it wont happen again. I've apologized to Faded and he's apologized to me (not that he needed to, it is his sever.) I really didn't mean to stir shit up like this and I'm not really proud of it. Had I been online on Friday and known what'd happened I prolly wouldn't have done this. Sorry again.

I will think twice before using my binds from now on because a great man once said "With great desu comes great responsibility." Or something like that.

Also I'll still be around, I'm not the type to let one little mishap ruin a good thing.

[nippz]

Jan 11, 2010 1:34:01 GMT -5 strata said:

"With great desu comes great responsibility." Or something like that.

lol

: parrot:

[brianblack]

Thanks guys. I appreciate your working things out with each other over this, which is the correct thing to do in this situation. Everyone makes mistakes, and in this case, as Rhench pointed out, both sides could have done things differently, but how issues are resolved is much more significant.

Without this turning into br0mance time, thanks to both of you for resolving the issue without things turning into a shouting match.

[Jeziah]

Haha, I knew something like this was bound to happen after playing that round of Lumberyard with some unnamed people

[snakeeyes]

"YOU MANIAC!!! YOU ENFORCED TEH RULEZ!!! DAMN YOU!!! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!!"

-Charlton Heston

[rhench]

I don't... think... that's a direct quote there, Snakey boy.

[nippz]

Jan 11, 2010 1:24:55 GMT -5 rhench said:

I cannot believe that Rhench, of all people, is going to try to be a voice of reason, but here goes:

For the record, I wasn't around for any of this. The specifics of who did what when are known to me only by anecdote from various people, but I get the gist of what's going on. Either way, I'm more concerned about what's happening now than what happened then. Strata, someone who has been coming to the server for a long time, is no longer banned from the server. Whether or not he chooses to return is his own business, and I haven't seen a message from him one way or another.

Faded did what he thought was the right move at the time, and if people were spamming text binds, something that I do recall has happened in the past, a one hour ban is not an unreasonable punishment. That a single person got chosen in the heat of the moment doesn't necessarily reflect that that person was the only culprit, but that his behavior stuck in the admin's mind as overt and repeated. Unless Faded went to the trouble to make up not only Strata's messages, but a side conversation between two others at the same time, Faded seems to have proof that such activity was occurring. Frankly, his word is proof enough, but he bothered to cite it.

Was Faded's attempt at humor perhaps done in frustration? Probably. From an outside perspective, I immediately picked up on the announcer/administrator tone from the post he made. Maybe I just understand Faded's style of humor; maybe I'm just distanced from the situation and able to look at it objectively. Faded wanted to get the point across that text binds to the extreme are inappropriate, and that practitioners of this meme will be punished if they continue the excessiveness of them.

Singling out Ars, while not necessary, is a result of the primary participants in this meme, not only in this instance, being people who tend to frequent Ars servers more than MKWEA itself. I've seen it happen before when an Ars server empties into MKWEA. No, Ars members (I'm included in that community, whether Fu believes so or not) are not the only culprits, nor are all Ars members guilty of participating in this irritating behavior. Faded generalized, and if I had to guess as to his motives, it was to drive the point home specifically to the group of people who have been the most common culprits that it's gotten old, and that he's tired of the text bind spam.

Did he do it in the most tactful way possible? No, he didn't. But has the tactful way gotten through to the people who have been causing this irritation? No, it hasn't. I can fully understand his frustration on the matter, and while perhaps he could have been a little more diplomatic about this, he's far from the only person with behavior to consider modifying in the future.

We, that is the admins, tend to operate best when we're able to put our heads together on a matter. With various people unavailable to comment on this matter, it was handled by Faded in a way that was consistent with our policies. Suggesting that he did anything other than try to fix what he saw as a problem, admittedly with a bit of a harsh tone, is a bit of a stretch I think.

With that said, I'm willing to speak privately to anyone who wants to discuss the matter, as we've always had an open-door policy if anyone feels aggrieved by the actions taken by admins. Faded is generally open to such conversations as well. Rather than bicker and try to recreate the problems that happened on a different server, I'd much prefer that we try to resolve the problems at hand.

You minored in English, we get it.

[clicheguevara]

Jan 10, 2010 22:52:06 GMT -5 FadedOasis said:

Let's all laugh at Strata Faded for being an first Ars asshat, trying to "humiliate" someone for no reason. to be banned. And then let's all message him and ask him why he broke the rules. he's an asshat.

[FadedOasis]

Nippz, always the master of argument, dismissing all of the fine points by pointing out his inability to read long posts.

Cliche, last time we talked, you told me you weren't going to play on MKWEA anymore. You even asked me to ban you. So why do you care what I do with my server and my forum?

[clicheguevara]

Pretty sure it had more to do with what you were doing to a fellow friend/player. Not what you're doing with your server/forum?

But I dunno. Maybe that wasn't clear. I could totally see why, seeing as I mentioned Strata. And not your server.

"Nippz, always the master of argument, dismissing all of the fine points by pointing out his inability to read long posts."

Nice assumptions bro. Nippz and I discussed this. I said it was too long, and didn't bother to read it fully. He said he did.

You should probably stop making an ass out of yourself Faded. Unless you like looking foolish.

[FadedOasis]

So, you didn't read the entire thread where I apologized for my actions and he apologized for his? Or did you not read the part where I pointed out that I did it as a message out to other server regulars that the rules still apply?

[nippz]

Jan 12, 2010 13:03:51 GMT -5 FadedOasis said:

Nippz, always the master of argument, dismissing all of the fine points by pointing out his inability to read long posts.

Lol you don't have to insult me. I was just commenting that his post, like a lot of his others, was unnecessarily wordy.

[clicheguevara]

Pretty sure posting about a regular, trying to humiliate them, isn't a respectable way to "get your point across"

I'm pretty sure it just makes you look like an asshat. Whether you apologized or not. The action was still done. I'm not saying strata shouldn't forgive you. or anyone else for that matter.

But you're a fucking baby. Shutting down your server when it's full. Making humiliation posts about regulars? Kicking people from your group?

You server is empty enough as it is. Those actions aren't really helping, are they.

GG.

[FadedOasis]

Respectable ways I have tried:

Saying "guys, please don't spam my server."
Using admin text to say "guys, please don't spam my server."
Both saying and using admin text to point out that the rules of the server are on the chalkboard.
Gagging spammers, then asking them to stop spamming.
Kicking spammers, then asking everyone to stop spamming.
Banning spammers, then asking everyone to stop spamming.
Kicking everyone on the server for spamming, then making a post on the server's forums specifically reminding players about the rules.

None of these have worked. What's the next respectable way to get the point across?

Also, a server that hits 22/22 nearly every night isn't exactly empty. Take your trolling elsewhere.

[pneuma08]

I think this particular issue is very much resolved and there's no need to discuss it further.

[rhench]

Jan 12, 2010 4:05:29 GMT -5 nippz said:

You minored in English, we get it.

My depressing tendency to take certain things seriously and meticulously respond to them is a well-known fact, and existed far prior to my acquisition of an English minor, though thank you for reminding people of it, as I am in fact proud to possess it.

As pneuma assessed, this matter is effectively closed. That certain individuals may still have issues to discuss with admins or the community at large is noted, and posts to air such matters or messages to the admins will be given due consideration.

This thread is now locked.